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When does the battle in Ezekiel 38-39 happen and who are Gog and Magog?

Chapter 36 and 37 describe how God will bring His people Israel back to their land to dwell in peace and that He would set His servant David as king over them forever.  The time is described as:

Ezekiel 37:23 (NIV) They will no longer defile themselves with their idols and vile images or with any of their offenses, for I will save them from all their sinful backsliding, and I will cleanse them. They will be my people, and I will be their God. 24 "´My servant David will be king over them, and they will all have one shepherd. They will follow my laws and be careful to keep my decrees. 25 They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your fathers lived. They and their children and their children's children will live there forever, and David my servant will be their prince forever. 26 I will make a covenant of peace with them; it will be an everlasting covenant. I will establish them and increase their numbers, and I will put my sanctuary among them forever. 27 My dwelling place will be with them; I will be their God, and they will be my people. 28 Then the nations will know that I the LORD make Israel holy, when my sanctuary is among them forever.'"  

This period will be a time when the following will occur:  

1) Israel will no longer backslide
2) David My servant will be their prince forever
3) They will live in the land forever
4) I will put My sanctuary among them forever
5) There will be an everlasting covenant of peace
6) The nations will know that I, the LORD make Israel holy  

These conditions will only be met at one time in the layout of the end of the age.  This will happen when God claims His rule once again from Satan at the end of the 70th week of Daniel.  Only at that time will Jesus take His place as the true ruler of this world.   

Rev 20:8 would seem to imply the possibility that the attack of Gog and Magog will happen at the end of the millennium.  But, it is my opinion that Gog and Magog are the "hordes" of armies from throughout the world that are being led by the Beast and Satan.  At the end of the millennium again the armies of the world will arise being led this time by Satan himself.  By the way, in "Magog" the "Ma" can mean "place of."  Therefore it can mean Gog and those from the place of Gog.  I believe the Revelation reference is that what happened before will happen again.   

The end of the millennium would not fit David becoming their prince forever, nor the establishment of an everlasting covenant of peace.  These things will have been in place for 1,000 years.  Also, the nations will have had 1,000 years to know that the LORD makes Israel holy.  Furthermore, Ezekiel 38:19 describes God defeating the armies of Gog with an earthquake that will overturn mountains and crumble cliffs and "every wall will fall to the ground.  This is too descriptive of the event described in the book of Revelation that happens just before the battle of Armageddon...  

Revelation 16:17 (NIV) The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since man has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. 19 The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed. God remembered Babylon the Great and gave her the cup filled with the wine of the fury of his wrath. 20 Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. 21 From the sky huge hailstones of about a hundred pounds each fell upon men. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.  

This description is identical to the description of the defeat of Gog in Ezekiel...  

Ezekiel 38:18 (NIV) This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'  

Now, what about this happening before the 70th week?  Again, the description of what will happen at this time makes it impossible to happen before the 70th week.  Before Jesus reclaims His rule of the earth at the end of the 70th week, there will be no everlasting peace, David will not be the King forever, and Israel will not yet leave their backsliding.  

Therefore, I am convinced that this description takes place at the end of the 70th week of Daniel and culminates at the battle of Armageddon. By the way, the burying of the enemies of God for 7 months and burning of the weapons for fuel for 7 years - I believe this will be done for the first 7 months and 7 years of the millennium.

For more on this see my newsletter at http://faq_ministries.org/images/pnws0208.pdf

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Last update: 2008-11-25 17:21
Author: Elbert Charpie
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